As I return from a vacation to Ireland and then a trip to California for my granddaughters birthday, I kept reading the LOL postings and I find that nothing has changed in the last three weeks. 2 Latvians and 3 political views. There are certain people who are tying to reach Peter C messages number and coming close but substance is not adequate. BS is BS.
I should try to improve my message number but I have to take time to get my car repaired from a deer encounter in NY and a list of our travels in Ireland to my website.
I am reading while traveling the book ” THE NORTHERN CRUSADES” by Eric Christiansen to inform myself of the era. It brings a new view of the Baltic Sea history in this era.
I find that to many people on LOL are tying to advance their views on this site by advertising their blogs (I do not read blogs unless it is by my daughter “food”) but I do not have time for them.

I can mention that I saw the movie “Soviet Story,” and frankly I was disappointed.  I have never seen such propaganda before.  And I am Latvian.  It is as if the Nazis and the Commies never were at war.  Well, then just what is the cause of dozens of millions of deaths.  Were they just puppets of Hitler and Stalin?  Wake up Latvia, and Latvian-Americans.  The true conspiracy lies closer to home- in America.  It might be the land where the streets are lined with gold.  But you have to pay thousands of dollars per citizen just to be able to drive on them, whether you own a car or not.  Tell me is that democracy, or capitalism?  And people talk about Universal Healthcare being anti-Capitalism.  Get a life!!!  Roosevelt, and not just Stalin and Hitler were just as much to blame for the second World War, as your dreaded Stalin.

Taomant writes: “I have never seen such propaganda before.  And I am Latvian. “

I’m worried about you.  It hope it’s not too late to get educated about “propaganda” so it doesn’t jump up and bite you when you least know to be looking for it.  It’s hard to understand your problem in “never [having] seen such propaganda before” when it has stared you in your face from the Soviet Union for so many years of your “Latvian” life.  Maybe google “Soviet propaganda” and watch The Soviet Story again.  You might be surprised at what you missed with an expanded, nuanced understanding of the meaning of “propaganda.” 

Not be be alarmed at what “propaganda” you’ve already missed in your Latvian life.  You have another chance:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/19/AR2009061902062.html
“/.../For most of the 20th century, the Communist Party’s historical falsifications and fabrications were of Orwellian proportions. In Stalin’s time, schoolchildren were routinely told to blacken portraits of “enemies of the people” in their books; unwanted images were removed from official photos, eliminating all traces of former members of the communist elite who were killed by the Soviet regime.

In contrast, today’s government does not seek to eliminate ideologically incorrect interpretations from every history book. Even Markov says academic research should not be constrained. (There’s evidence, however, that the government has asked professional historians to identify instances of “falsifications” by their foreign colleagues.) What the Kremlin has been after in recent years is boosting the sense of Russia’s greatness and the infallibility of its leaders—current leaders included—in the national mind-set. This is a substantial task given the communist dictatorship’s mass exterminations of innocents during the 20th century. Hence the government’s systematic effort to prevent broad public discussion of the crimes of totalitarianism or the fabrications used to cover up those crimes. The official outlook on recent history is focused on the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany, which is a uniquely positive memory shared by the overwhelming majority of Russians.

To Russian officialdom, the fact that the Soviet Union defeated Hitler preempts critical analysis of all other pre- and postwar developments. But while no one would deny Russia’s victory over the Third Reich, the Soviet role as an occupier and oppressor cannot be erased from the national memory of Eastern European and Baltic countries. This perception of the Soviet Union is used (and sometimes abused) by those countries to strengthen their national identities and senses of statehood.

Regardless, it is impossible to force a Russian vision on other nations (just as foreign countries can’t impose their interpretations on Russia). What the Russian government can do, however, is impose politically motivated interpretations on its domestic audience, in schoolbooks and in the media.

There is another concern about the government assuming the authority to differentiate between genuine and false views of history. During Vladimir Putin’s tenure, access to historical archives has become increasingly restricted. The historical records kept in those archives contain too many genuine facts that seriously tarnish Russia’s image.

Arseny Roginsky, director of the Russian Memorial Society, a nonprofit organization that has done archival research and commemoration work related to the victims of Soviet totalitarianism, expects the commission to further obstruct such work. He is also concerned, as he told me recently, that “government attention will be inevitably focused even more on the expressions of alternative views on sensitive historical issues.”

The anti-falsification commission may not directly interfere with academic research, but its potential effects are disquieting. Its work will probably result in professional historians being pushed even further from the broad public sphere, and it will marginalize even more organizations such as the Memorial Society. Meanwhile, its very existence will likely encourage more absurd and counterfactual theories, such as the one blaming Poland for starting World War II.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/oleg-kozlovsky/medvedev-imposes-control_b_205349.html
http://edwardlucas.blogspot.com/2009/06/europe-view-134-history.html

I am not worried about his statements for there are many ignorant people out there. Just think of the fools who deny the holocaust. It would be a waste of time to try and correct him so I will choose to ban him on this forum. I have no time for idiots.

I had an “Ahah” moment, Courlander.  That is if one is banned from voting, or speaking one’s opinion, that in effect is Communism.  And, above all that is something I truly reproach.  I am a published author, and I like to espouse my opinions in fiction rather than truth, and in science-fiction, and not in science.  And not really in politics too.  Soo, you could say my opinions are rather beginning, although I am well past my thirties. 

No, Courlander, movies like “Soviet Story,” are not necessarily bad.  They are a point of view that a certain segment of the population, i.e. “Hardened Latvians” believe in and is not necessarily of the opinion of most people on the planet.  Indeed, if Stalin was really aiding Hitler and giving his “ideas” to him, then why the Hell would they need to fight each other.  Pardon my French, oh sorry, they were allies.  Not the Soviet Union and Germany.  Rather the allies were America, France, Great Britain, and perhaps even China to some extent, that is in World War II.  Indeed, we do not have any hard evidence to back up the erroneous theory that the Soviet Union and Germany were close allies during World War II.

Indeed, and another interesting fact of those people who think that America has been so innocent during the past 75-100 years or so.  They have done studies with poisons being released from the air, around the ‘50’s in various American Universities, and the pollution was hazardous.  The American Government funded these studies, and wanted to see what would happen before something like the Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were to be done.

And, what is more America is not so innocent, since they took the very Nazi scientists, and used them actually quite successfully in the American Space program, with rocket scientists like Werner von Braun, et al. 

And the facts that Nazi scientists were quite involved after the second World War in experiments in America with LSD (a hallucinogen), in that the Americans hired these very Nazis so that America could study “Mind Control,” and apply it to its soldiers, and who knows, maybe the general population.

It is quite clear from these facts that America, in post World War II time up to this day has in fact taken these very elements of “mind-control,” and “the ends provide the means,” and “space-science,” to very emulate the German Nazi regime of World War II.

Taomant (as most might now correctly suspect) probably spent too many takeover years in Propaganda 101 class.

He seems to forget that USSR was in a contest with the Allies (the west) to see who could grab the most German Scientists towards the closing of the war. In fact the forced rivalry was so intense, that the Allies (west) sent in individual squads of trained men behind enemy lines just to find these German scientists before the Soviets could grab them. And so, was USSR less than successful in their space program? ...Not enough German Scientists to go around? (My guess is that if they truely were given an option, all the German scientists would have gone to the west.)

But the Soviets did manage to put some German technology to their own selfish purposes. For wasn’t the infamous AK-47 the result of some of that “grabbed” technology—- you know the weapon of choice for achieving their (communists’) plan for global dominance?

And the drugs that Taomant talks about… Didn’t the US military use hallucinogens just to counteract the newly Soviet adopted drug-aided methods of brainwashing? (Much like with the US testing with barbiturate thiopental sodium—-better known as Sodium Pentothal (truth serum), or even the training of some members to resist that once new gadget, the lie detector.)
Taomant just doesn’t seem to realize there was a cold war going on!

But what did spook the US was the Soviet talk and her active research into mind control. (—-Far beyond parlor tricks of reading colors simply with the tips of ones fingers or guessing what playing card was turned faceup while the “reader” was seated in a different room.—- it was later revealed that many of these “successful” tests were conducted with less-than-ideal scientific guidelines) It is unfortunate that the US felt compelled to keep up with the “Comrades” on this one matter, as they should have simply shipped very advanced copies (stamped TOP SECRET, of course) of the Harry Potter book series so the Soviet/Russian subjects would have something to “read”, perhaps putting many of them into a “productive” sleep. ...But these training sessions still go on today, and I suspect as well in Russia today.

And now we have the actual Potter books, with as well now countless number of global kids dreaming of Potter things. But this “interest” in such matters goes way back. Recall the constant ethnic “good/bad” in-fighting during early Old Testament times (the Jezebels being the most infamous faction). There was so much murder and assassination taking place (heck, often openly in places of “worship”) that it is said that the word “Shalom” came about when a woman (who happened to be named Shalom or close to it) was able to persuade all parties involved to “forget” using murder as a handy tool of “persuasion”.

It would seem that if “old” mind control is feasible, it certainly would not be like fictitious Tarzan “control” over animals. No, it is more likely they will be falsely misled into thinking that they can actually perform the control. (I will leave the discussion of the Holy Spirit to others or to another time.) And Taomant, do not confuse the “progress”/research in Artificial Intelligence and advances in Robotics (including self-manipulation of artificial limbs) with the old Soviet “mind control”.

Then to close, regardless what Taomant wants to twist, USSR and Germany were once allies—- even invading Poland together as “allies”. Yes, there were frequent Moscow vodka toasts welcoming many visiting Germans (Even the lower ranks of the Soviet military seemed very gleeful. And Munich reciprocated, although perhaps with a little less zeal .), but what changed all that?—-Can we NOT pursue this subject any further Taomant?!  (Instead, just read some good history books.)

Mikus E.

P.S. Note: This is not meant to cast favor upon one country at the expense of another.

P.P.S. But which is worst, the new poster Taomant not being well read in history/current-affairs or Andrejs trying to bully his way when arguing? (BTW Andrejs. ...Even though you show a crude mind-set, still in this one instance, miscarried impatience is not a valid excuse.)

P.P.P.S. Taomant, another thing that seems to be left-over from the Soviets (for I have noted this even as recently in the most current PBS tv show of “Nova Now”), is the continued little regard for scientific guidelines. But like the Soviets, these “liberal” scientists have their own invalid agenda.

As usual when it comes to Mikus I have no idea what the below means:

P.P.S. But which is worst, the new poster Taomant not being well read in history/current-affairs or Andrejs trying to bully his way when arguing? (BTW Andrejs. ...Even though you show a crude mind-set, still in this one instance, miscarried impatience is not a valid excuse.)

Still trying to digest Clinton and I being the fault of G_d. I did read all of the Potter books. So that might explain things. Not sure if Clinton did. But pretty sure he has more experience with the Jezebels than I. So that might explain that.

Andrejs, the worst of the crude bullies

I would undertake a new study of history, i.e. history books, as long as it doesn’t rely on History Revisionism. 

What I mean is that from the movie i felt that in actuality at the end of the Second World War, Hitler was not really defeated by Russia.  And of course, I, but the movie does not imply mean to say America, France and England too helped defeat Hitler’s Germany.  But, I still feel one cannot say that Hitler killed Hitler, i.e. that Hitler killed himself since he was unhappy with himself.  Hitler killed himself since he could not stand a Germany with Russia, or America inside German borders and giving direct orders.

Russia, may or may not have helped Germany up to the time that Germany invaded Poland, but after that Russia and Germany were fierce enemies.  I do not get that impression from watching, “Soviet Story” movie.  Perhaps it just needed to be made longer to get the full feel of the Second World War’s realities.

As far as American mind-control goes.  Just look at advertising.  I feel that advertising is a good thing.  However, what advertisers are really trying to do is to influence one’s mind.  As far as drugs in America goes, do a little research on Bush, the CIA, and Iran.  American government used money from the drug trade in the ‘80’s to fund a way to get the American hostages out of Iran.  Again- the Ends provide the Means.  Same as the Germans during World War II.

Well it is a start…
even though Taomant now states

Russia, may or may not have helped Germany up to the time that Germany invaded Poland…

Still Taomant neglects the fact that the US became a “fierce enemy” with USSR after the war. (And just what did the USSR do with that British “peace gift” of an actual British advanced jet engine design?)

Mikus E.

Taomant wrote:

Russia, may or may not have helped Germany up to the time that Germany invaded Poland, but after that Russia and Germany were fierce enemies.

You are totally wrong. Russia also invaded Poland. Where do you get this “may or may not have” weasel wording, and what is its purpose? Nazi-Soviet cooperation continued long after the German and Soviet invasion of Poland —until Germany invaded the USSR almost two years later—and that has long been fully documented, for instance in Feeding the German Eagle.

/P

And, of course we must not of course forget that Karl Marx was a German, who very much influenced the start of the Soviet Union, if only in theory.  And we must must not forget that he was Jewish.  It is sometimes said that 3 people ruined current world society.  Karl Marx (who helped foment the idea of Communism), Einstein (who helped invent that deadly disastrous weapon- the Atomic Bomb, in the part of the allies, and thus ruined the Japanese, not to mention the Germans, and Italy, and Freud- who ravaged religion. 

And there have been currents of a type of “Nazi-like” mentality among the older profession of psychiatry in America.  Look up:  MK-ULTRA, in the Computer Internet Wikipedia, for instance.

Currently, in America, and elsewhere Nazi idealogy and Jewish counterparts are quite common in the upper echelons of society.  Where is the real Conspiracy???  Perhaps it ends in a third force:  That of the Extraterrestrials, and of their immenent arrival here soon on Planet Earth due to the apocalypse year according to the ancient and sophisticated Mayans, of 2012.

No, currently we are not at war with Nazis, and Jews, and that is good.  Because what is coming is a much bigger war, and a much bigger effect than all of the wars combined, and that is because planet X, i.e. Marduk comes by earth every 6,000 years from another solar system.  The people from Outer Space were much more sophisticated than any Nazi, and any Einstein, or Marx.  What is more, they tended to like to make humans slaves.  I just wonder what they will do the next time they land.

Taomant,

You sound like an idiot- comparing the two- Jews and Nazis.  Those two terms can be used only in special circumstances, and do not mean the same thing.  As far as creatures from outer space goes- I mean a higher civilization- we are the only ones in this Universe, that is if you believe in the Bible.  The Bible does not mention any other race of similar beings on other planets.  It does mention Heaven- a different mode of existence, but it doesn’t mention other planets.  The only planet with living life that is as advanced as a human is the planet Earth. 

But, I had something else to say, but perhaps it would be said best in another Latvian forum.

Thanks,

And,  Taomant, please do read and study your history.  History is very important in that we then know where we came from, how, and why wars occur.

Goodbye, and good luck.

LatvianRider

6000 years ago?  Wasn’t that the time that Atlantis was destroyed?

This is something like fantasy land to me. I remember my son playing dungeons and dragons years ago but I never thought there were idiots who believed it.
I suggest Taomant check in to the nearest psycho ward before the people in his head tell him that George Bush was a great president. 
History is fact but the interpretation can very from different political views.
Since I have no advance notice of extraterritorial advances upon earth I can only say that life will go on.

That of the Extraterrestrials, and of their immenent arrival here soon on Planet Earth due to the apocalypse year according to the ancient and sophisticated Mayans, of 2012.

Has any one considered that it took effort to produce calendars when done via ancient methods. (Today, I can print any future calendar year simply by “asking” my computer.) Perhaps the Mayans took a breather once their 2010ish calendar edition was completed (come on people, just when does one stop in preparing future calendars?)—- planning to get back to their calendar production at a much later time? (Yes, WWII Germany was as well, very interested in the Mayans. But when it came to the Bible ...only to create, then leverage any false weakness. Oh never mind, as their leader was portrayed to be at the very least, much interested in astrology. Hmmm, or was that merely an attempt in maximizing others’ weakness?)

Mikus E.

P.S. According to the Bible, no one really knows when the Rapture will indeed occur.
P.P.S. BTW, Einstein was banned from working on the US “bomb” project.

According to Harold Camping, a Bible expert with a Christian radio network, Rapture will occur in May, 2011.